Gretton suggested another name from a newspaper headline: “The New Order Of The Kampuchean Front”.
The rest of the band begged to differ, saying: “F**king hell Rob, no it bloody isn’t.”īernard Sumner performing with New Order, 1981. He’d seen it in a newspaper and suggested: “That’s pretty neutral.” As Morris recalled, he suggested the name “ Khmer Rouge”, which was also the name of a genocidal communist party then terrorising Cambodia. Rob Gretton had been making notes of potential names, which included vaguely political or ominous titles like “Black September” or “ The Immortals”. Factory Records boss Tony Wilson liked the name “Stevie And The JDs”. It would have been a wholly inappropriate and ironic title, given what had happened to their old singer.Īnother stupid suggestion was “The Witch Doctors Of Zimbabwe”, but according to Peter Hook, he and Sumner threatened to quit if they were called that. The band and manager Rob Gretton agonised over what to call the new outfit, even playing their first show as a trio on 29 July 1980 without any name at all.Īccording to Steve Morris, one suggestion was "The Sunshine Valley Dance Band", the name of an old school group of his.
New Order in 1989: Gillian Gilbert, Bernard Sumner, Stephen Morris and Peter Hook. So when it came to choosing a new name, the surviving members decided they wouldn’t be caught out like that again - or so they thought. Joy Division, however, preferred to "let the music do the talking", but this lack of overt statement meant that the accusations continued to follow them around.
The early punk scene had used the swastika as a way of shocking the older generation, but with the rise of the far right in the UK, it was not a good time to be playing with such potent symbols and there was an angry backlash. The name was taken from a graphic paperback novel written by a Holocaust survivor called House Of Dolls, but the decision would cause the Manchester band no end of controversy, from people who thought the musicians themselves had right wing sympathies. where prisoners were forced into sexual slavery. Warsaw changed their name to Joy Division in January 1978, taking the title from the term given to the wings of Nazi concentration camps in World War II.
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